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Chris Best's avatar

Formidable attention warriors like you don’t get hacked. That’s why you *love* the bold taste of Marlborough

Ben Cohen's avatar

Good piece, but I can't help feel as though you've built a bit of a false dichotomy here.

I fully agree that it's ridiculous for the Facebooks of the world to claim they've "solved the dopamine system" or something of the like, but the idea that the networks aren't shaping their users' minds (on the margin) seems so obvious to me that I almost feel like the burden of proof is on someone claiming that they don't do this.

That said, I feel like the breakdown comes between the difference between being able to control users' minds in the abstract vs being able to influence them on certain ideas. I do not think the Zuck army can influence me to be something I'm not, but I'd be surprised if they didn't have the ability to push me in certain directions on certain axes.

As example, my dad is a Fox News diehard - spending time at his house means hearing Tucker et al at all hours of the day, and I find that spending 2-3 days around there starts to do interesting things to me. I don't believe the nonsense they often spew, but I can sense myself becoming gradually sympathetic to certain ideas, or agreeing with certain framings of things.

Abstracting this to more subtle changes in ideology and longer periods of exposure (as I'm sure you know, people use FB a _lot_), it's hard for me to believe that people can't be pushed. Whether or not this is being done, or whether it's profitable or anything remains an open question to me, but IMO the answer of "could TikTok influence certain thoughts (I imagine all of us are more suggestible on certain topics) of someone who watches it for 3 hours a day" is a resounding yes.

Thinking of things this way, I guess my condensed response would be something like "ABC/NBC/CBS could certainly claim to influence the zeitgeist (or could've 20 years ago) but could not influence me to like them more than the internet because that's out of their axis of influencability", which I think is maybe somewhat congruous with what you're saying but not entirely.

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